"Looksmaxxers like Clavicular may not be aware of it, but they are optimizing themselves not for attraction from women, but for respect from men. That, in fact, is the hidden logic of “looksmaxxing”. Men respect signs of dominance and toughness. A heavy jaw, sharp cheekbones, a hard stare. These features impress other men because they signal strength. So when a young man imagines an attractive male face, he tends to imagine an exaggerated version of those traits. He then sets out to build it."
Yes I have always thought a similar logic applied to motorcycles. Men think women are impressed they are riding an 850 kick start Norton and leaning so far over on the turn they are getting sparks from the footpegs, but only other men care.
The women are oblivious.
"Hey buddy you are riding that bike for other guys"
" Men picked Clavicular. Women, in contrast, preferred Yongbok Lee. "This is consistent with studies indicating that men overestimate women’s preferences for highly masculine features. "
It's not sexist to say, just descriptive, but how can you be sure women reliably say what they actually prefer? Women are notoriously good at saying things they don't mean or truly believe(any straight man with enough romantic experience whose brain isn't totally rotten through politics knows this. I say totally because many men on the left will still be honest enough to agree from my experience). Men also take more risks, so they're much more fit to tell the truth.
I'm gonna go with "woman want the alpha hunk thats on the old school romance novels because that signals something primal and a few decades of modernity is not stronger than millenia of selection pressure", and they're wired to both lie to you about this and even believe various cultural lies about this to fit into what is socially acceptable.
Both males and female ...... should look at the person as a whole person.
If we are not too screwed up; that is what we do.
Meet, Get to Know, Discover a person physically, intellectually and emotionally all parts of a person... all at the same time by in person to person dates and by phone.
Honestly, conversations on attractiveness are not meant to be had among the masses. Looks obviously matter. (I was at a coffee shop about 2 weeks ago, and the barista was a very good looking young man. In less than a hour, I saw 4 separate middle aged women walk in and were very clearly flirting with this dude.) The problem is that the masses have selective hearing. Attraction is a much more nuanced conversation than the masses are capable of hearing.
Thanks Rob. I've been thinking about this topic recently; having two sons, I want to give them as much advantage as possible.
I'd be very interested in a re-run of Costello's test with a third picture: that of Jason Momoa. Clavicular's look isn't necessarily masculine and I'm guessing that a lot of women online "know" that they aren't supposed to be attracted to him.
In addition, I'm fascinated by one of the most successful men, Pete Davidson. He is, in no way, a traditionally attractive man. But, the "pulls more 10's" than just about anyone else. His success lends credence to the idea the women are attracted to the men that other women are attracted to--almost as if they believe other women must know something that isn't initially obvious.
It half-way does though. People are primed to be charmed by very good looking people. They imagine them to be who they want them to be—even if they’re not.
An ugly guy can swagger up with the same confidence—say and do literally the same stuff—but it immediately codes as arrogance, if not worse. “How dare he have the audacity to think he is at my level!”
Whisper in their ear he is rich or famous though—maybe he was just on a championship sports team even though he looks like a normie out at the bar—and suddenly he has charisma. It’s like magic when you see it…
In a recent installment of the Diary of a CEO podcast, Anna Manchin said women tend to prefer men with a genetic profile that is more closely aligned with homosexuals on the spectrum of sexual attraction. Incels that are typically locked out of the market can take heart: from a boyishly arrogant perspective, their coupled betters are more gay than they are. I suspect those who find themselves coupled are beneficiaries of conditions that are typically baked in. Boys with charm, who are able to make people feel good, begin to exhibit their character very early, and it leads to a lifetime of success with the opposite sex. For example, they will already be a mutual friend with the woman you are matched with when you join Facebook dating lol. The software you noticed in first grade is still running hot 50 years later! Of course there are late bloomers, but more often than not, they are the ones who are good at hiding their cards. Women have always been very picky, so if you've run into some difficulty finding success with the opposite sex, know this: they are looking for a bargain. So if you're really desperate for a relationship; that is, if the bachelor life isn't working for you, then make yourself into a bargain. Reduce the price. If you aren't above hanging out in the clearance bin, you just may find someone.
"Women found the guy whose fanbase consists of tens of millions of women more attractive"
Groundbreaking research there
With the followup headline: "Men tell those women they're wrong."
"Looksmaxxers like Clavicular may not be aware of it, but they are optimizing themselves not for attraction from women, but for respect from men. That, in fact, is the hidden logic of “looksmaxxing”. Men respect signs of dominance and toughness. A heavy jaw, sharp cheekbones, a hard stare. These features impress other men because they signal strength. So when a young man imagines an attractive male face, he tends to imagine an exaggerated version of those traits. He then sets out to build it."
Yes I have always thought a similar logic applied to motorcycles. Men think women are impressed they are riding an 850 kick start Norton and leaning so far over on the turn they are getting sparks from the footpegs, but only other men care.
The women are oblivious.
"Hey buddy you are riding that bike for other guys"
" Men picked Clavicular. Women, in contrast, preferred Yongbok Lee. "This is consistent with studies indicating that men overestimate women’s preferences for highly masculine features. "
It's not sexist to say, just descriptive, but how can you be sure women reliably say what they actually prefer? Women are notoriously good at saying things they don't mean or truly believe(any straight man with enough romantic experience whose brain isn't totally rotten through politics knows this. I say totally because many men on the left will still be honest enough to agree from my experience). Men also take more risks, so they're much more fit to tell the truth.
I'm gonna go with "woman want the alpha hunk thats on the old school romance novels because that signals something primal and a few decades of modernity is not stronger than millenia of selection pressure", and they're wired to both lie to you about this and even believe various cultural lies about this to fit into what is socially acceptable.
Like I just said..."Men tell those women they're wrong."
Both males and female ...... should look at the person as a whole person.
If we are not too screwed up; that is what we do.
Meet, Get to Know, Discover a person physically, intellectually and emotionally all parts of a person... all at the same time by in person to person dates and by phone.
Honestly, conversations on attractiveness are not meant to be had among the masses. Looks obviously matter. (I was at a coffee shop about 2 weeks ago, and the barista was a very good looking young man. In less than a hour, I saw 4 separate middle aged women walk in and were very clearly flirting with this dude.) The problem is that the masses have selective hearing. Attraction is a much more nuanced conversation than the masses are capable of hearing.
Thanks Rob. I've been thinking about this topic recently; having two sons, I want to give them as much advantage as possible.
I'd be very interested in a re-run of Costello's test with a third picture: that of Jason Momoa. Clavicular's look isn't necessarily masculine and I'm guessing that a lot of women online "know" that they aren't supposed to be attracted to him.
In addition, I'm fascinated by one of the most successful men, Pete Davidson. He is, in no way, a traditionally attractive man. But, the "pulls more 10's" than just about anyone else. His success lends credence to the idea the women are attracted to the men that other women are attracted to--almost as if they believe other women must know something that isn't initially obvious.
Fame breaks the blood-brain barrier. You can look like Chris Farley and “pull 10s” if you are on SNL.
Pete Davidson wouldn’t be doing that if he were the assistant manager of a Verizon store.
Charisma doesn't just depend on looks.
It half-way does though. People are primed to be charmed by very good looking people. They imagine them to be who they want them to be—even if they’re not.
An ugly guy can swagger up with the same confidence—say and do literally the same stuff—but it immediately codes as arrogance, if not worse. “How dare he have the audacity to think he is at my level!”
Whisper in their ear he is rich or famous though—maybe he was just on a championship sports team even though he looks like a normie out at the bar—and suddenly he has charisma. It’s like magic when you see it…
In a recent installment of the Diary of a CEO podcast, Anna Manchin said women tend to prefer men with a genetic profile that is more closely aligned with homosexuals on the spectrum of sexual attraction. Incels that are typically locked out of the market can take heart: from a boyishly arrogant perspective, their coupled betters are more gay than they are. I suspect those who find themselves coupled are beneficiaries of conditions that are typically baked in. Boys with charm, who are able to make people feel good, begin to exhibit their character very early, and it leads to a lifetime of success with the opposite sex. For example, they will already be a mutual friend with the woman you are matched with when you join Facebook dating lol. The software you noticed in first grade is still running hot 50 years later! Of course there are late bloomers, but more often than not, they are the ones who are good at hiding their cards. Women have always been very picky, so if you've run into some difficulty finding success with the opposite sex, know this: they are looking for a bargain. So if you're really desperate for a relationship; that is, if the bachelor life isn't working for you, then make yourself into a bargain. Reduce the price. If you aren't above hanging out in the clearance bin, you just may find someone.