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Pete McCutchen's avatar

I know there is the timing issue, but it’s interesting how variable the standards are.

Kevin Spacey remains cancelled, but he faced two trials, one civil and one criminal. He was acquitted in the criminal trial and successfully defeated Anthony Rapp’s civil claim. He may have been gross or handsy with young men, but it seems clear that the most serious allegations against him were not substantiated.

Woody Allen was accused of sexual abuse of Dylan Farrow, but it was never substantiated and one of Mia Farrow’s adopted children claims that Mia Farrow was the abusive one, and she forced the other children to go along with the story. He also claims her allegations were impossible, given the layout of the house. Of that we cannot know, as she had the house torn down.

In Jackson’s case, we really can’t know if he was just a weirdo who liked to have sleepovers with young boys, or if he was a weirdo who liked to molest young boys at said sleepovers.

Dr Simon Rogoff's avatar

Thanks for this Rob. Yes, the beautiful song can remain beautiful. Even when the condemnation is strong. Im noticing more and more that this is not just seperation, but opposite extremes. My field of personality disorder, which incorporates the study of narcissim, has long talked about splitting. There is the ideal and the shameful and these get split apart so that there seem to be two personalities rather than one. If the person needs to be seen as ideal, then this may in part explain how the beautiful song got so beautiful in the first place. There was a desperate need for idealisation as a strategy for gaining distance from shame. Perhaps the need to be viewed in an idealised way is one way of managing narcissism, whilst in other moments there is exploitation or abuse, leaving not fans but victims. So whilst some get drawn with Jackson into debate about which side of the split is ‘true’, narcissism psychology pays attention to the ‘split’ itself between these two contradictory personalities. In Jackson’s interview with Martin Bashir (Bashir challenged him directly on accusations of abuse), Jackson’s response was not to portray himself as an innocent ordinary man, but as something closer to an angel. Michael compares this angelic self to Jack the Ripper more than once, as if, again, there are just these two fantastical extremes.

I had a go at writing about this topic here.

https://simonrogoff.substack.com/p/ideas-and-their-containers?r=27zldx&utm_medium=ios

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