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Pete McCutchen's avatar

Even if it’s true that criminals lack free will, they deterministically respond to incentives. By punishing criminals, we affect the incentives that potential criminals face.

Plus, I want to punish killers and child molesters harshly. I can’t help it!

Poul Eriksson's avatar

The new determinists have become a priestly class wishing their cultured forgiveness can be generalized by the insight of determinism, and that is what gets them in logistic trouble. We actually find them arguing that different outcomes are possible taking different paths, something akin to a - choice?

We are privileged to live in societies where agency can be discussed endlessly, so we can acknowledge that social conditions matter, but it so happens that the kind of societies motivated to accept arguments of impaired or trapped agency- in certain conditions - are exactly the ones that take it for granted that the majority can be held responsible and act accordingly.

In Scandinavia, my original base, I observe that the connected values of personal and social responsibility have been in play, and it is because of this that the treatment of criminals can appear mild and compassionate to other societies. Because the vast majority of people do not want even the mild treatment and are not incentivized by it. We also observe how that system responded when immigrant populations did not play by the rules and were unfazed by the mild treatment. Struggles ensued, practices had to change. When a sufficient amount of individuals did not act socially responsible, the whole system was threatened. Forgiveness was not the solution.

In a high functioning culture, there are both consequences to face and forgiveness to earn, and both have to be perceived as fair by the community at large. If you move away from that in one direction or the other, social tension and dysfunction will arise.

The determinists face the logical problem that it is best if most people remain persuaded that they can be held responsible. I think that we have to arrive at the conclusion that the determinist belief structure sucks as a guideline for social action. And if that is where it gets us, what good is the belief structure?

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